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whipsawing up and down, based on fears about fiscal cliff. and hopes that we might get a possible deal to bridge the fiscal cliff in washington. but through the period these ten growth stocks have held up surprisingly well. i say surprising, because these stocks all had huge gains going into the fourth quarter. and with the fiscal cliff looming, many investors have been selling their biggest winners to take advantage of the low capital gains tax that will likely go away come january. if we get a positive resolution to the fiscal cliff. you'll want to buy these stocks hand over fist. because then they'll really be air to roar. how have the anounted names done? >> amazon starteded at 259, pulled back to 220. before rebounding to 250, where it is right now. google has been pounded. it went from over 760 to below 660, but it's rebounded to 695. mastercard and visa, they took 25-point dives. i told to you buy them into weakness. falling from 475 to 450, and valued to 487. great ones to buy now. a dozen points where above where i recommended. that's it win. visa has moved up nyely from 136 t
to hear from somebody who says a deal on the fiscal cliff could have already been reached if only lawmakers took a page out of wall street's deal making strategy of keeping things behind closed doors. where have we heard that before? >>> plus, secretary tim geithner with us exclusively. will the white house let our economy go over the fiscal cliff if a deal on higher tax rates for the wealthy is not reached? we're checking it out. back in a moment. [ male announcer ] research suggests cell health plays a key role throughout our lives. one a day men's 50+ is a complete multivitamin designed for men's health concerns as we age. it has 7 antioxidants to support cell health. one a day men's 50+. it's easy to follow the progress you're making toward all your financial goals. a quick glance, and you can see if you're on track. when the conversation turns to knowing where you stand, turn to us. wells fargo advisors. >>> welcome back. this very public negotiation on the fiscal cliff still does not seem to be closing in on a deal. the white house out in campaign style events regularly, mak
very much for helping us out. >>> now folks, we switch gears back. we still have no fiscal cliff deal, but there's talk between president obama and tim geithner. congress has adjourned for a long weekend. that's kind of insane. eamon javers joins us. >> reporter: the president began his day this morning before an audience of business leaders and he continued his campaign of persuasion amongst some of the nation's top ceos. >> i am passionately rooting for your success. because if the companies in this room are doing well, then small businesses and medium sized businesses up and down the chain are doing well. if companies in this room are doing well, then folks get jobs, consumers get confidence, and we're going to be able to compete around the world. >> and then larry, later in the afternoon, our steve leishman sat down with treasury secretary tim geithner. geithner in that interview late in the afternoon made it clear that this is brinksmanship of the highest order. >> i want to understand the administration's position when it comes to raising taxes on the wealthy. those making more
. there are concerns about tax increases that would be coming absent some sort of a deal on the fiscal cliff. >> the fiscal cliff has been the issue that has stopped or sort of made companies reluctant to push cash to work, to hire folks. is that stopping you, or are you moving forward regardless? >> actually, we've been moving forward with our investments. we're spending some $32 billion this year on energy projects around the world. i expect we'll spend even manufacture thmore than that next year. all we need is the opportunity to invest. we need to have access. we need permits, and we need a tax structure that supports what we do. there will be a tremendous opportunity to create jobs and government revenue if we're given that opportunity. >> let's talk about that. the access to the product all around the world has got p tougher, hasn't it? >> it has. i'm encouraged by the sale we had this weekend. i would encourage the administration to do condition sales. right now, most of our continental shelf is off limits. we need to address that. if we do that, there's an opportunity across public a
the right thing about the fiscal cliff deal, boy, will these markets turn on a dime and i would like to be optimistic. neither taxes nor spending nor entitlements were solved today. in fact, president obama never even mentioned the word spending. the one thing we do know, your taxes are going up from an obama care tax attack. no matter what happens on the fiscal cliff. and is another bailout nation on the way? student loans up to $1 trillion, huge delinquency rates, default rates going sky high, no credit standards and sky high tuition. sound likes a real bad story to me. ceos have just wrapped up their meeting with president obama about the fiscal cliff and minutes ago john harwood landed a big fish. goldman sachs ceo lloyd blank finefein. >> the highlight of the meeting was the intensity from which the white house emphasized that marge al rates as a matter of math and politics have to go up somewhat, if not all the way to 31.6 had to go up and as p he said as a necessary ingredient of a deal, he would support such a rate. >> the president said we would pursue our own interests. i'm
. >>> 31 days left for lawmakers to reach a fiscal cliff deal. cnbc is heading to the home states of key congressional leaders involved in negotiations. today john harwooden in kentucky. senate republican leader mitch mcconnell's home state to find out how the fiscal cliff is impacting constituents there. >> reporter: in the senate, the challenges is bringing together red states and blue states. mitch mcconnell's kentucky is horse country. of the states represented by top congressional leaders, it's the reddest of all. >> among the top leaders of congress involved in fiscal cliff negotiations, the one facing the most home state pressure may be senate republican leader mitch mcconnell. he faces re-election in kentucky, a state where the tea party movement is alive and well. president obama may have won this election but two years ago leaders of the tea party movement elected ron paul's son rand as kentucky senator over an establishment republican. one leader of that movement who runs a high-end audio equipment business says they could do the same thing in 2014, and this time take out mitc
and counting away from the fiscal cliff, but are we any closer to a deal than we were yesterday? eamon javers is in washington making a career out of this story. he's got the latest on the negotiations. >> hi, bill. the battle for public perception here in the fiscal cliff fight continues today. the president visiting a middle class family in northern virginia who he said would be hurt by tax increases if those come to pass at the end of this year. the president saying that republicans simply need to come to terms and a deal with him. take a listen to what the president had to say out in the living room of this family in northern virginia. >> i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is good for families like this one and that is good for the american economy. >> so, bill, the president using the power of the bully pulpit there and image making. it's the power the president has to shift the debate here. republicans don't seem to have caved in just yet. we're going t
quarter. presumably to get ahead of higher dividend taxes if the fiscal cliff deal is not out. right now, dividend taxes are at 15%. if we go over the fiscal cliff, they could go up to 44%. today several more companies jumped into the pool, including satellite tv provider dish. what's interesting with many like dish, for example, even if you don't own the stock, you have until december 14th to buy it and still git that special dividend paid out two weeks later. should you be jumping in? should you buy a stock just to capture that dividend? cnbc contributor ron says it's tough to pull off. ron s this a smart strategy for investors to pursue? what's your take? >> i expect large i traders can do these things more efficiently than individuals. back in the 1980s japanese investors got special treatment for dividend payments. it was well better than what they got for capital gains. they used to engage in strategy called dividend rolling or dividend capture strategies where they would buy the stock one day before it went ex dividend, captured it, sold the stock later. i would suggest that unles
with the decisions? what do americans, average americans, want to see in a fiscal cliff deal? steve leisman here now with our exclusive results of the cnbc all-america economic survey. what do americans want, steve? >> what you would expect. free stuff, tyler. actually, no, we'll get into that in a second. first we want to show you results of our december cnbc all-america survey. what we asked about the fiscal cliff. the first thing we wanted to establish is do people know about this thing? we looked at some of the other times we've asked this. what we'll see right here is other situations where they knew it, where other main stories that were out there. for example, the trayvon martin shooting. 91% of americans knew about that. occupy wall street, 80%. going forward what you have here, facebook, 72%. all the way down to 70%. you can look at this a couple ways. here's the greek financial crisis. 30% of the public not really paying attention to. inside that 70% number, 36% have know a lot about it. we'll compare with other stuff we asked last time about when they had a debt -- big deficit debate. we
it gets dicey when that date is prior to the deadline for a fiscal cliff and a deal may not be reached by that deadline. >> very true. i look at whole foods. will that be damage? here's a stock creeping up. some people didn't like the last quarter. i thought the last quarter was fine. a great long-term trend. i think that there's a special dividend and, hello -- >> you're going to buy that because of special dividend? i don't know. >> i don't want to change my find about a stock that i don't like because they're paying a dividend. >> for a stock like apple which has been on the list floating at parlor games with a lot of cash on hand, if they paid a special dividend, that may entice shareholders to come back into the stock, a stock that's had trouble breaking out of a trading range it's been in for the last couple weeks. >> totally agree with you. they did have a board meeting last week. i thought something would have come out then. that would have been a good opportunity. as to what carl is saying, everyone wakes up saying we've been running the company wrong. they want to take advant
at a deal to deal with the fiscal cliff? rand paul is defending the northwest pledge not to raise taxes. but the rim rally months on, this time black berberry is on rise. nobody said an inkjet had to be slow. or that printing in color had to cost a fortune. nobody said an all-in-one had to be bulky. or that you had to print from your desk. at least, nobody said it to us. introducing the business smart inkjet all-in-one series from brother. easy to use. it's the ultimate combination of speed, small size, and low-cost printing. >>> go ahead man citing a variety of benefits for the january introduction of the blackberry operating system. dare i say, this is march of the penguins. >> yeah, it is, we have seen the stock which you know we have reported on many times, heavily shorted. a lot of this move has been short covering. suddenly they're saying maybe there's more value than the intellectual property. in gold man's case, they're saying now it has a $3 billion value. previously theirest mate was just cash and ip. now you have $3 billion because you think blackberry is going to do well. >>
now than there was six months ago, how does that work? there was no fiscal cliff deal six months from now and still no deal. so i'm not sure why we think there's more uncertainty. i would say if you really think about it the president has a lot of ways to delay the impact. for example, our withholding table don't have to get change order january 1. even if you haven't struck a deal, you don't adjust the withholding tables. for now you can delay the pain. so there is wiggle room in terms of when the impact has to be felt. >> but is there where wiggle rom the investing world who looks at the united states and says these guys are a bunch of keystone cops. this cost us with the last round of negotiations back in the summer of 2011 when the debt rating agencies said if you can't find some civil way to talk to each other, we're going to cut your rating. >> it was nice seeing the ratings agencies make a comments on u.s. democracy. that was helpful. i think, though, is there some deal that can be struck, yes. when does it get done, i think it's probably less important to be better before year
could be a big deal for sure. but what could trump the fiscal cliff, study this. it's the need to get out of your mother-in-law's house. get your own home. intuitive concept for those, when you think about it. we got to break here as toll brothers actually down on the news today because the market's so darn tough. i expect downgrades tomorrow from people who don't believe things can stay this strong and that could be your strong to be analysts who always downgrade ar the report. here's the bottom line. we need hope to be vanquished. we need it spindled, mutilated. chex out the holders, thinking it's imminent and leave the room and then return to what i've been tracing and huge cycles of pent-up demand. buy them on the way down. never on the way up. you can take your time. do not leave this market wholesale. who the heck knows when and from what level you can get back in. why don't we go to tom in new york. tom? >> caller: hi, jim. could this offset same-store sales and make it a buy? >> i think it moved already. one of those stocks that moves in gigantic gobs, to speak and had its gob
and dealing. we're going to explain why baseball's feeling a fiscal cliff tax frenzy. that coming up in about 30 minutes. >>> now switching gears, with just 33 days until the country's economy plummets off the tax and fiscal cliff and there's still no deal in sight, we see today a daily caller op ed suggesting that republicans in congress should dive head long off the cliff. really? i'm not sure i'm on board with that one. but let's talk. maybe i could figure it out. here now is the co-author of that op ed, neil patell of the daily caller and we welcome back texas republican senator kay bailey hutchson. neil, you got to walk me through this, buddy. i think if the republicans jump off the cliff and refuse to negotiate, their political standing is going to be substantially worse than it even is today. >> larry, first we do not say that republicans should refuse to negotiate. that would be political suicide. that's crazy. i think they're likely to get a deal that has a really big tax increase and that also comes with a bunch of phony spending cuts. they'll either be way out in the out years of c
from that fiscal cliff. did anything happen today to bring us closer to a deal? let's get the facts. eamon javers on capitol hill now with the story. >> reporter: hi, the story up here on capitol hill, speaker of the house john boehner facing a bit of a brush fire on the right here. senator jim de mint calling the proposal an $800 billion tax hike earlier today. saying that's going to allow washington to continue to spend money here on capitol hill. that's been met with a little bit of interest here in the halls of congress because that's a sign that republican conservatives are not entirely thrilled with the speaker's proposal to the president of the united states. it brings up the question of how much the speaker can actually negotiate with the president and how much his hands are going to be tied by dealing with his own conservative caucus here on the hill. talking with those republican members today, it seems like the speaker still has the upper hand. that's going to narrow some of the running room that the speaker has going forward. very, very dicey situation for speaker boehne
the president told the business round table that a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff could be reached quickly if republicans drop their opposition to raising tax rates on the wealthy. and in an interview on cnbc, timothy geithner says the gop is making a little bit of practice, but the white house is absolutely ready to go over the cliff if tax rates on the top 2% don't rise. >> our obligation is first do no harl. we need to lift that threat over the economy. and now as part of that, we'd like to put in place as i said a carefully designed mix of reforms to put our fiscal balance in the path of sustainability. as long as there is recognition by the other side that those rates will go up, we think we can reach an agreement on the set of reforms as i said that will be good for the economy. >> republicans were quick to hit back. orrin hatch called them stunning and irresponsible, but there may be more cracks in the ranks. "washington post" reports some moderate and conservative republicans are calling on boehner to concede on taxes now while he still has leverage to ask for something in return l
over the fiscal cliff. and there's just one more month left of trading this year. so what is in store for investors this december? let me bring in our guests. good to see everybody. stephanie, let me get your take on investing around this fiscal cliff. before that, give me your take on this morgan stanley rebalance. what do you think happened at end here with the the market up just about a point? >> i think it just added to the volatility. that's the theme for the next couple of weeks. we are going to see a very volatile environment until we get a resolution. so in the short-term, you're kind of trading range bound in the market. i think you want to take advantage of the extremes. so into these big positive moves, you take a little off. it's not a bad thing to take profits and to have cash. i do think that when you see the market pull back and you see extremes in terms of on the downside, i think you want to be buying because i think once you get this fiscal cliff resolution, whenever it is, i think the markets will work higher because the underlying fundamentals in the u.s. economy a
are out there on this fiscal cliff story? we seem to feel that there's a deal in the air. why else do we see such optimism today? rick? >> oh, for me? i'm sorry. i'll tell you what, maria, i'm not sure what's going on in washington. i'm not sure who those republicans are. i'm not so sure on whether the fiscal conservatives in the party know something about some big reforms on medicare and medica medicare, social security is, any of the retirement or tax issues, but i'll tell you this. i think that all these stories aren't necessarily going lead us to the truth. i personally have a very size way i'm approaching this. the president is supposed to leave for a 21-day vacation in hawaii on december 17th. where he is on december 18th will tell me, and i think the markets will pay attention. i find it hard to believe, and i agree with bill and many, who are very not amused by the house taking their long weekend. i'm sure that the president would have no intentions of leaving until these issues are resolved. i think the market is being kind, but i think it's a timing issue. >> yeah, i think that
on that in a moment. >> investment banks paralyzed by the fiscal cliff. we'll find out what it will take to get deals going once again. >> we expect the president to speak on the fiscal cliff before the business roundtable. we'll bring you his comments live. citigroup cutting 11,000 jobs taking a billion dollar charge. kayla tausche has more. >> investors see this as a positive. a big move for a new ceo who is just getting his sleeves rolled up. the cuts will span across nearly all of the company's divisions but biggest slice of the pie coming from global consumer banking cutting 6,200 jobs there. the cuts are broad. nearly 2,000 jobs cut from the institutional clients group including investment banking six times the layoffs reported to take place in the securities business earlier this month. jim cramer said earlier that it feels like citigroup has been cutting jobs forever but that's because the bank has downsized by a third since peak employment in 2007. most of that cutting took place after he took the reigns. it will have 261,000 jobs once these cuts are done. the 11,000 announced today is a big
of america will be on "meet the press addressing the fiscal cliff situation. as a student of secretary geithner who has studied every move i believe he will report we are going to avoid falling over the fiscal cliff and get deal. in part because the two sides aren't that far apart. they sound like they are but they may not be. both sides recognize that we will be in a recession very quickly, maybe even as soon as the second quarter. if they don't compromise. so listen to me. the tax hikes are so severe. [ audience boos ] >> the spending cuts, particularly the cuts to the military, are so draconian even some republicans who think a compromise is a total betrayal, they fear the economic consequences of cliff jumping. once a deal is reached. tax rates, tweaks and deductions, it could be game on in 2013. i don't regard this as kicking the can down the road. i believe this will be comprehensive enough to address everything from the roll back to the clinton year capital gains rates dividends. i think it's going to happen. to a plan to keep tax the same for 98% of americans and raise the debt
, which is highly unusual, what makes that so special? the fiscal cliff could be a big deal. i'm going to put it in an amusing way, it is the need to get out of your mother in law's house. pretty intuitive concept when you think about it. we have a break here. because the market is so darn tough. and that could be your chance for the analysts. here is the bottom line. we need hope to be van switkwis. he so that it is so negative. have them leave the room. and we can return to the growth themes and they are autos and homes. by them on the way down and never on the way down as the scared sellers buy them out. you can take your time. who the heck knows when and from what level you can get back in. why don't we go to tom in new york. >> big lots and slower same store sales and make it a buy. it had it's gob and i don't want you to come in now. i think that big lots is not a great operator. the market needs to free itself from the notion that there will be a deal. that is what needs to happen. take your time. this hope is still not dashed enough to make this market immune from more disappoi
already rejected deal to solve the fiscal cliff. he will be traveling to pennsylvania to push his pitch for tax increases on the wealthy. republicans say the campaign-style tactics are getting in the way of productive talks. more companies are announcing special dividends in anticipation of higher tax rates after the new year. whole foods announced a $2 a share special dividend. also declaring one-time payouts, regal entertainment ends on pharmaceuticals and intel labs among other companies. >>> the german parliament has given its approval to the greek debt deal approved by european finance ministers earlier this week. that means that greece can receive about $57 billion in rescue loans. >>>. >> our guest host today is with us trying to rise above and fix the debt. larry, former chairman and ceo of honeywell. one of our favorite guest hosts. you come about once every quarter, larry. >> i do. >> once a quarter. and -- i don't know. last quarter was -- seems like 10, 15 years ago at this point. doesn't it? >> it does to you. to me it is about right. >> with everything that we have been th
saying he's confident the obama administration can reach a deal with congress to avoid the fiscal cliff. but speaking with reporters in bangkok, he says the automaker is prepared for any outcome. cnbc has learned the completion of the so-called volcker rule is being delayed until the end of the first quarter of next year instead of the end of this year. the rule which is named for paul volcker bans banks from proprietary trading. but it's proven difficult for u.s. regulators to define and high volume of feedback has led to push back, repeated push back, of that deadline. mervyn king will release financial stability report today. there's been speculation in the report that king will raise capital requirements for banks and introduce new banking regulations. for our uk viewers, we'll bring you live coverage of the bank of england's report in just over an hour. for thousannow, chris wheeler j. what is your sense of what he could say? >> if we look at the uk banks, perhaps lloyd and those that have the biggest issues despite all the work, i think they're on a glide path to get to where they
] break from the holiday stress. fedex office. >>> negotiating a deal on the fiscal cliff. they say a good compromise leaves everybody unhappy, but can house speaker john boehner rise above the partisan politics and still escape the wrath of his tea party? we'll ask former house majority leader dim armey. >>> and we've seen some major executive shake-up these year. management guru jeffrey seinfeld will join us to grade the hires and fires of 2012. >> the third hour of "squawk box" begins right now. >>> welcome back to "squawk box" here on cnbc first in business worldwide. i'm joe kernen along with becky quick. andrew ross sorkin is off today. our guest host this morning, steve mcmahon, co-founder of purple strategies and david walker, founder and ceo of the comeback america initiative. more from them in just a minute. first, we have some headlines for you this morning. let's begin with the markets and the looming fiscal cliff. the dow finishing november lower. and that is the second consecutive month. the blue championships fell .5% in november. 3% since the start of october. the nasdaq an
the administration wants to see a deal come together here. >> for what, the fiscal cliff or the fiscal abyss? >> for both. >> for both. >> so that a down payment -- a compromise down payment on approximately $4 trillion. i think when you pull it apart, you have about a trillion dollars in discretionary spending that has mostly been agreed upon and you have taxes and the entitlements, the mandatory. >> the entitlements are the sticking point. whoa. did you see that? you think that's funny? >> set that up for you. >> you think that's funny, mac? you do this? look at this. this is booby trapped, man. it won't stay up. which can really be a problem. you can laugh at that. it's okay. nobody's watching. it's 6:00 a.m. that got you going. >> when you look through, i guess the devil is in the details in terms of what you're looking at in spending, cuts, entitlement cuts and with the tax increases, and you're right, both sides have put a plan on the table. they're pretty far apart, but at least now you know there's some framework for how you get to the middle. what do you think, 1.2 trillion in tax i
for 24 hours with prevacid24hr. >>> welcome back. the fight over the fiscal cliff heating up with both parties accusing the other of failing to offer substantial plans. >> to this point, that's right. without a deal, automatic spending cuts and higher taxes will kick in january 1st. that's something our next guest wants to avoid. we welcome back democratic congressman charlie rangel of new york. good to see you. welcome back. >> good to be back. >> we're at that awkward part of the negotiating process where nobody wants to be the first to step up, especially on the spending side. so do you want to be that person? can you give us some sense of where the democratic side would want to make those cuts in entitlements to get us closer to a deal? >> how in the world would you talk about cutting spending before you find out how much you have to spend? isn't this all about a revenue shortfall? the first thing we should do is find out, how much money can reraise, what is the gap, and what we can't do in terms of raising revenue we go to the cuts part. >> that's a great point. so let's do that.
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have to leave it there. president obama says no deal on the fiscal cliff. >> how does raising tax rates on the rich help the poor. that is what i don't get. true free market capitalism helps everybody. a rising tide lifts all boats. i'm laugrry kudlow we will be right back. two years ago, the people of bp made a commitment to the gulf. bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. and bp's also committed to america. we support nearly 250,000 jobs and invest more here than anywhere else. we're working to fuel america for generations to come. our commitment has never been stronger. >> whow does taxing the rich hep the poor rise above poverty and get a job? let's talk to larry elder. he is the author of the great book, "dear father dear son". welcome back. how does taxing successful wealthy people help the poor get out of poverty. well for people who think like i think it doesn't make any sense. but understand something, that is not what
is forecasting some kind of a deal that will keep us from going over the fiscal cliff. markets have been known to be wrong. >> this market is definitely expecting a deal, otherwise this market would be plunging. what do you do with your money if the worst happens and we do see this negative disappointment? that's what our own jeff cox has been writing about today on cnbc.com. good to see you. thanks for joining us. how do you make money if we go over the fiscal cliff? >> i think first and foremost, investors should recognize that a deal is likely to happen. whether it happens before the end of the year or after the ends of the year, something is likely to happen. i think you are going to see a relief rally on the end of that. fist and foremost, it's to remain calm and not to sell out of all risk assets and equities. you may be in for a bit of a bumpy ride. as such, there's an opportunity to be defensive. look for some of those lower beta strategies. look for the defense sectors. >> in the meantime, it is pretty clear the markets are anticipating we're not going to go over this cliff, isn't it?
rally here. again, the market is demonstrated that it believes a deal on the fiscal cliff is coming. i know. i didn't hear it over the weekend. headline risk was all anybody wanted to talk about on friday. if anybody says that a deal is not happening or it's going nowhere, we could wake up down 15 points on the s&p on monday. guess what? boehner said the deal is going nowhere. now, when i call the bulls on this, they say, bob, they didn't say a deal was off. they just said so far the negotiations are going nowhere. the market still believes that a deal is coming and it's going to be a substantive deal. instead and by the way, geithner insisted on tax rates issues. looks like there may be something happening eventually. we didn't fall apart on the whole thing. even futures weren't down overnight. instead we rally on a little bit overnight on the greek deal and for those that don't know and this is arcane depending on what kind of bonds you're talking about, the bonds that they are offering are priced well above what anybody was expecting. that's one of the reasons that greece is moving
falling over the fiscal cliff and get a deal! in part because the two sides aren't that far apart. they sound like they are but they may not be. both sides recognize that we will be in a recession very quickly, maybe even as soon as the second quarter --. >> ah! >> if they don't compromise. so listen to me. the tax hikes are so severe. [ audience boos ] >> the spending cuts, particularly the cuts to the military, are so draconian even some of the most extreme republicans who think compromise is a total betrayal, they fear the economic consequences of cliff jumping. once a deal is reached, if we want to fight over tax rates, tweaks, and deductions, it could be game on in 2013. i don't regard this as kicking the can down the road. i believe this will be comprehensive enough to address everything from the roll back to the clinton year capital gains rates, sorry, that's a tough one to swallow, i know, i think it's going to happen. to a plan to keep tax the same for 98% of americans and raise the debt celling so we can at least for a year put washington in the rear-view mirror. wow, ca
and urging them to get an agreement on that fiscal cliff. an expert lesson on the art of getting the deal done. >>> plus, wake up and smell the coffee, a bullish call today on dunkin' brands and other players. we have the smartest flies cav nate your portfolio, when we come back. when we got married. i had three kids. and she became the full time mother of three. it was soccer, and ballet, and cheerleading, and baseball. those years were crazy. so, as we go into this next phase, you know, a big part of it for us is that there isn't anything on the schedule. >>> people becoming more conservative and i think that had an impact in had the growth in '13 all things being equal and in danger if this thing stringings out into '13 start to have problem what is '14 would look like. >> that was bank of america ceo brian moynihan speaking exclusively with our becky quick on the impact of the fiscal cliff, repercussion does go well into 2014 inside now from one of the best known negotiation experts around, harvard business school professor deepak ma hallow and author of "i moved your cheese" and geni
the white house and republicans over the fiscal cliff have ran to something of a holt. john boehner dealing with division in the gop's ranks to his bung budget plan. another shanghai surprise. china's mainland market surge nearly 3%. more austerity. plus, austerity measures are hitting european consumers. retail sales in october fall much more than expected. september also revised sharply to the downside. >>> it was a flat day really for european stocks, slightly negative for u.s. stocks yesterday. we are a little bit higher. the dow is currently some 43 points above fair value. the nasdaq is around four points above fair value. the s&p 500 at the moment is around about four points above fair value. european stocks are up half a percent earlier. we have come off those highs. eurozone pmis a little bit better than expected. but still deeply in contraction territory. uk services pmis dipped weaker than expected. the ftse up a quarter a percent. the ibex up around .2. also dragged down by disappointing retail sales. that's where we stand right now ahead of the u.s. open. what are investors to
we could do is go over the fiscal cliff. we have the same tax rates that we have when bill clinton was president. significant cuts in defense and also significant human services can you tell us. >> katie, let me ask you, before you respond to what governor dean is saying. there is logic to what howard dean is saying. i don't happen to agree with it. but i know where he's coming from. katie, let me ask you this -- katie can't hear me. we'll wait for her to get back hooked in. howard, what about the notion that i'm posing tonight -- i've said this a few times -- republicans better be careful. they're not going down your road and the democrats aren't going down your road. you have middle class tax cuts for the democrats and it sometimes sounds to me as an old reagan conservative that the republicans better watch themselves because sometimes it sounds like they are kind of defending rich people. that's their whole mantra, just defending rich people. and i think that's not where they should be. >> i would agree. if i were politically advising the republicans, which i'm certainly not, i
on optimism around the idea that we could reach some sort of a deal to overt the fiscal cliff. the dow closing more than 100 points higher after being down by more than that during the session. a swing like that hasn't happened since october 2011. u.s. equity futures at this hour actually higher. up by about 65 for the dow, s&p more than 7, and as joe mentioned, the fiscal cliff is still the focus. today treasury secretary tim geithner will be meeting with congressional leaders. first harry reid at about 10:00 and then followed by a session with john boehner, eric cantor, paul ryan and chairman of the house's tax writing ways and means committee dave camp. also lunch with republican senate minority leader mitch mcconnell and nancy pelosi. yesterday a number of high profile corporate leaders met with president obama at the white house, including lloyd blankfein. >> both sides have acknowledge there had is revenue concessions and entitlement concessions. in fact if you listen to it, again, i'm not a master of the political art here, but i would say if you have these point of views in a business
on wall street modestly higher today i did spite no sign of a deal on the fiscal cliff. take a look how we're settling out this thursday afternoon on wall street. the industrial average at 13,074. the s&p up just a fraction. will the markets get a boost from another cash infusion? ben pace says he's expecting the federal reserve to announce another round of stimulus at the meeting next week. is that what the markets really want right now? ben pace joins me along with chris heize and rick santelli. ben, let's talk fed policy. you think the fed announces qe-4 next week? >> i think it's the fact the twist operation is ending at the ends of the year, and they don't feel compelled to incrementally tighten that. that means it has to be replaced. that's the qe-4, the fact they'll continue to buy to continue to be just as easy as they've been since the september 16th qe- 3 announcement. >> so you think it's a continuation. what's the impact on the market, do you think? is it priced in? are we expecting that? what do you think? >> i think it's generally priced in. the thing that concerns me the mos
on the fiscal cliff before we hit it. represents tim walls is a democrat from minnesota who filed a petition yesterday to force a vote on extending tax cuts for the middle class. congressman, good to have you with us. >> thanks for having me. >> i have to say that the optic beioptics of congressman leaving the capitol right now for another long weekend is extraordinary poor. it is disappointing and to many it is outraging. what do you say? >> i think it is outrageous. i couldn't agree with you more on that. these are good folks. each one of us was elected to represent 650,000 people. i heard it -- i think everyone of the other floor members heard it -- they're tired of the bickering, they're tired of the cliff talk. they want to us compromise and get something done. i proposed yesterday let's find the xron ground. we all agree that tax rates should not go up on folks make makeing $250,000 or less. a family. >> when congress goes home today for a long weekend, who pays for the travel? >> the taxpayers pay for it. they just flew us out on monday. we took two votes. we didn't vote until 6:30 th
the biggest impact. he wants to see not just a solution to the fiscal cliff but a deal that addresses problems that go well beyond the january 1st deadline for the sequester. >> i think that if this doesn't move forward with a solution to actually start to lay out ground work to solve long-term issues, it could be disappointing even if it is fixed. >> we have talked to ceos that say they have to go to boards and lay out plans for what they're planning on doing in january and they have to move forward with the plan that has an assumption we don't get a solution. do you hear that from your clients? >> absolutely. i think it's not january. they were forming these plans in august and september. even leading up to that people becoming more conservative. that's had an impact on the growth in '13 all things being equal and i think we're in danger if this thing strings out into '13, you could have problems of what '14 would look like. they make the budget in half a year. the decisions are should i add new equipment? what would final demand be? all of that is done for corporate america for '13. you are
. how do you view fiscal cliff discussions? >> i was pretty optimistic until about three days ago. my sense was republicans had lost enough ground, they wanted to get a new deal before they got weaker. they admitted that there has to be some revenue. meanwhile the obama team led by secretary geithner are comfortable with at least 2:1 what they would call entitlement cuts. so there was a lot of ground for a deal. unfortunately, i think the threats from some democratic leaders that maybe it's okay to go over the fiscal cliff, i'm worried some actually believe that and that's one thing that scares me. i think there's a deal on the table, get a few years deal, it's only if -- obviously the republican caucus could do something stupid, but owes otherwise my main word is the dems decide they want to play for a long term deal that it all has to be resolved right now and it's worth the risk and i don't think it's worth the risk. >> adam, always good to see you. thank you very much indeed. we move on, stay in the united states, strike at the port of los angeles long beach is entering its sevent
ahead, investors remain on edge over the looming, yes, fiscal cliff. but imf chief christine lagarde says she's hopeful for a deal. >>> draghi tells leaders not to rely solely on the ecb and chastises them for past mistakes. >> the crisis has shown that we were living in a fairy world in is a. sense we underestimated. >> germany finance minister warn as greek detaught could spell the end of the euro as lawmakers prepare to vote on new funds for athens. and japan has surprisingly strong industrial drought put in october and yet another stimulus package sending tokyo stocks to a seven month high. plus president obama takes his case for tax hikes for the wealthy to the american people today as the war of words between democrats and republicans over the fiscal cliff heats up. >>> today we're taking a look at where futures are positioned and the dow jones industrial average is trying to add about 13 points at the open. it's over that 13,000 level we've been watching. the nasdaq, s&p are also looking to finish the month slightly higher. interestingly enough, the nasdaq has been higher for
on this whole fiscal cliff is being priced in by december 21st. if we don't have a resolution, even if we just have, let's say, a one-year patch, companies are not going to put their trillions of dollars sitting on the sideline to work. so we do need something. we need a resolution. it has to be a long-term resolution so that everyone is comfortable really making those sizable investments that are going to help us spur economic growth. >> and what sectors are going to lead us higher, do you think? who is immune to the kind of volatility we're going to see or the kind of effects the fiscal cliff could have on the economy here, mark? >> honestly, we're essentially sector agnostic with we talk about managing money on a five-year duration for our clients. when you look at some of the master limited partnerships that are out there, the kinder morgans, specter energy looks like a good play. we're looking at the 4% to 5% yielders, companies that have a good track record of increasing those yields. we're sticking more with consumer staples. we're definitely tilted towards that defensive end. but we're
values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection. >>> fiscal cliff talks are set to drag on as republican budget proposals are dismissed by the white house and top democrats. banking union talks take center stage today in brussels about finance ministers trying to find a deal for a single supervisory body. and australia central bank cuts interest rates to match their lowest level since the financial crisis. we'll talk airlines later. ahead of that, british airways say it's offering to imbalance the crew numbers. we'll keep our eyes on that. delta possibly bidding for a stake in injury gone atlantic. meanwhile there's other global news of significance. it is official, new royal highness on the way. after week of speculation, it's confirmed they're expecting their first baby. there are a number of bits of flash photography. the duchess is being treated in a central london hospital for severe morning sickness. book makers have been inundated with bets on what the new prince or princess might be called. joining us for more, michelle kozinski. good to see you. give us a sense
. independent of all this jibber jabber over the fiscal cliff, the economy is in really rough shape now. >> it is. we're seeing businesses cut back, getting ready for the eventuality they see coming, no deal by december 31st this worsening. sam, how do you want to be invested in 2013? where is the growth in the economy coming from, if anywhere? >> i think the growth is coming from an improvement in the housing sector. i think we are starting to see a slowdown in the job loss from the government sector. so, i think we're going to be seeing a better than half speed recovery. so, you do want to be taking a balanced approach. we do favor the consumer discretionary at this point offsetting with health care. >> gentlemen, thank you. more breaking news coming away right now. thanks for your thoughts. appreciate it. >> we have the letter. let's get to eamon javers. >> this is the letter speaker boehner sent to the president of the united states. the language he's choosing is important to understand, as he draes the president. the speaker saying, after a status quo election in which both you and
the fiscal cliff. because that just maybe gets you over the hump. this may be just a temporary fix to give them time to work out in 2013 perhaps a bigger deal, a grand bargain. but what does grand bargain mean. if you were able to cobble together a bigger deal, but a lot of people worry that's fiscal drag. and that will mean that as we move into '14, '15, growth will be a lot softer. >> you have to get confidence because. because if the consumer doesn't have confidence going into christmas and next year and saying i don't know what's going on, right now that's holding up our economy. two-thirds of our economy is driven by the consumer actually starting to spend. business is dragging. you will see a multiplier effect on the negative side and 2014 will look worse because people won't travel, they won't buy. all advertising, you can just look at kind of going across the board and saying if businesses don't know what's going on and congress can't get back together and the consumer said i thought things were going to get better because consumers always spend more than they have, that's going to
. important thing moving on about the fiscal cliff. the biggest story passed around here this morning was the politico article where they finally put a name on making a deal. the 37% solution, just split the difference between 35.6% and 39.6% increasing taxes and call it the 37% solution. that's the article everybody's been passing around today. on apple, just a quick note on apple here, there was as many notes out as there were analysts on apple. the main point on it is that most agree is that concern on iphone sales are the number one problem. att made a comment yesterday, that basically sales were the same as last year than the first sales of the --. a lot of t back to you guys. >> actually, i would be encouraged if i were an apple shareholder that the stock actually opened down today. if there's any hope. italian bonds getting hit today too. of course worth keeping track of. okay, let's shift the bonds into dollars. >> we're going to stick with that european theme and when bob pisani says central banks and activism in the same sen tes, i still have good bumps, they're not good goo
talking about. we're talking about fundamental here the fiscal cliff as a math problem. we solve much bigger problems as a nation in the past. we're going to solve this one. i'm 100% confident we'll have a deal by the end of the year and gdp growth will be above 4% next year. so that's where i think we're headed. frankly, i'm not mavging any hiring decisions based on the fiscal cliff. everyone of our employees will have a job on january 1st. if we go over -- but i don't think we're going over. >> how's business and do you think a tax hike on the middle class would affect your business? >> a tax hike on the middle class would likely affect every business. toys are obviously a discretionary purchase, though they tend to be recession resistant. still if you take $2,000, $3,000, $4,000 out of a personmakering $50,000 a year, they're going to spend less on discretionary things because the money won't be there. you definitely have a potential demand problem. i think both the president and congress recognize that. as i said i'm highly optimistic that our leaders in washington will resolve th
the fiscal cliff. something that could crush the consumer. all of which means it's a very confusing moment. we want to stick with best of breed that can come bouncing back whenever our leaders reach a deal. companies like ascena retail group, asna. formally known as dress barn. we've been fans because they have a terrific model. own multiple niche brands, maurice's for 20-something women, dress barn, appeals to a more middle aged woman, and charming shops, giving them two successful plus-sized chains. i believe in this deal because they have a record of making transitions work. the stock got slammed today, falling 4.3%, they delivered a four-cent earnings beat, revenues were in line, but still rose 48% year-over-year. and they reaffirmed their guidance for 2013, numbers slightly less than what some on wall street were expecting. what happened here, i think, is the stock ran 35% for the year. expectations got to elevated for some, well, they say they were disappointed. let's talk to the president and ceo of ascena retail group to learn more about the quarter and the profits. welcome back to
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